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First level of the $11 2k noon deepstack on Merge, a very soft tournament full of fish who gift their chips.
Villain is atrocious (I've already awarded him a googly eyed sock puppet at some point in the past), running a 52/14, limp calling with any two suited, any king, he's floating flops with backdoor draws, betting full pot, etc. (He's already getting berated by other fish in chat, 10 minutes into the tournament.)
Merge Network $2,000 Guaranteed Deepstack Freezeout No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10.00/t20.00 Blinds – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
bmillz7 (CO): t4000.00 200 BBs
Lifesabeach (BTN): t4000.00 200 BBs
Bshow40 (SB): t3830.00 191.50 BBs
Hero (BB): t3830.00 191.50 BBs
TurnTheNuts83 (UTG): t4000.00 200 BBs
shortmat31 (UTG+1): t4185.00 209.25 BBs
Millrtym (UTG+2): t7447.00 372.35 BBs
t12344 (MP1): t5873.00 293.65 BBs
Steveocrisp (MP2): t4555.00 227.75 BBs
Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with Q
Q
3 folds, t12344 calls t20, Steveocrisp calls t20, bmillz7 calls t20, 1 fold, Bshow40 calls t10, Hero raises to t190.00, t12344 calls t170, Steveocrisp calls t170, bmillz7 calls t170, 1 fold
Flop: (t780) Q
T 6
(4 players)
Hero bets t485.00, t12344 calls t485, Steveocrisp folds, bmillz7 folds
Turn: (t1750) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets t665.00, t12344 calls t665
River: (t3080) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, t12344 bets t4533 all in
What do you do preflop with QQ in the big blind, this deep, when half the table limps (and they are all awful) and you know they're probably not folding to a raise? Is my preflop raise sizing ok? Is there an argument for just forgetting we have QQ and checking our option in the big blind, playing it to try to hit a set?
Once we do raise, we obviously get limp-called in multiple spots, as expected. The flop is beautiful, though, as we hit top set. All three villains are fish. Can we just say “I'm never folding?” Do you check/raise or lead out?
Not sure if I like my turn sizing, but I still have the 3rd nuts. Villain's range is still very wide. He can have any pair or any draw, and he's not folding anything.
So I guess we should check/fold this river? Tell me what you'd do here and explain why.
October 6, 2010
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Like your preflop sizing
Flop is also good
Turn I would have made it a lot more, something like 1000, as that then leaves you an easy river shove and villain never folds tj on the turn so may as well go for max value.
Doesn't seem like there is anything that the villain calls flop with only to fold turn, so may as well go for max value.You could prolly even pot turn if you wanted, I doubt villain ever folds.
River is just yuck though, I think you have to check fold that, you still have a bunch if chips and it is early
I play the 30$ deepstack on stars often, and get in these spots alot early. Same sort of thing, maniacs doing exactly the same sort of thing in first level.
Can't fault your play at all, maybe I would not have raised as much preflop, I would've made it $140-150 but that's neither here or there so deep, but it would've saved some chips in following streets, cbets being a little smaller etc.
I agree with Benny, you have no option but to fold now. They are so bad, you're still very deep, you will get better spots. Don't know about you, but I love these guys. They do burn ya plenty though, but the amount of times they double you up in the first level is priceless.
October 6, 2010
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can i guess that you folded and villain showed you T9 and you broke something?
Preflop I love the 9.5X raise
On the flop is fine
I like raisng to 2/3rds on the turn so around 1300-1400
Check fold the river while you puke. you are 44% against a random hand, and given the super over shove his range is pretty heavily weighted towards 2 diamonds, any 7 or any J of course he could go crazy with 2 pair but if he is that bad you will get your chips back later anyway.
Just for kicks I looked in Pokerstove and any 7 any J and all Suited diamonds is about 27.8% of the possible holdings 
Preflop I raise as much as I think I need to to get to heads up so I like your sizing. Also like flop sizing. Turn bet could be bigger to extract more value but as said you get to the same river spot anyway. Check/folding here is the right play, his bet is terrible and you exploit it by folding. It's never a bluff and never a value bet with a hand you are beating. These are the spots that make you profitable, fold and be happy to get away so cheaply and easily.
Raising so much preflop will not get you heads up against these spew tards. It bloats the pot, whether you make it 140 or 190 or 280, they will still all call, all it does is make a pot bigger multi way, therefore all subsequent bets are going to be bigger in a multi way pot. I prefer pot control in such a multi way pot so deep and so early.
Secondly, why try and get worse hands to fold? I want them to call.
Thanks for replies guys. I did check/fold…he didn't show. (He lasted about another 20 minutes hahaha…)
I was mostly wondering about preflop sizing (and any other creative ways anyone could think of to get stacks in otf or ott). It's always awkward this deep when everyone limps and you know they're all calling unless you put half your stack in.
One thing I failed to think about in the moment was that this guy was betting full pot on flops. If I let him go ahead and do that, it makes it a lot easier to get stacks in. Plus in a four-way pot, the flop isn't going to check through. I admit I kind of took a default line on this one (always betting big hands this deep vs fish since they'll stack off with TP), without really thinking it through.
July 3, 2010
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rivermen123 said:
Thanks for replies guys. I did check/fold…he didn't show. (He lasted about another 20 minutes hahaha…)
I was mostly wondering about preflop sizing (and any other creative ways anyone could think of to get stacks in otf or ott). It's always awkward this deep when everyone limps and you know they're all calling unless you put half your stack in.
One thing I failed to think about in the moment was that this guy was betting full pot on flops. If I let him go ahead and do that, it makes it a lot easier to get stacks in. Plus in a four-way pot, the flop isn't going to check through. I admit I kind of took a default line on this one (always betting big hands this deep vs fish since they'll stack off with TP), without really thinking it through.
Consider overbetting some flops multiway when you have a strong feeling that someone has at least 2nd pair or a draw type hand and there are fish in the hand with you.
I like the sizing pre. You can easily make more than a pot sized raise when dolts are still gonna dolt. And we're OOP.
I think I'd bet 600-800 otf and would consider jamming the ott.
If we bet the flop big like this we end up having about 2800 left with a 2500 chip pot ott so that's my reasoning here.
October 6, 2010
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good point fkcoolers, if they are never going to fold then you can just mash pot on the flop and it makes it easy to get it in on the turn
I puke fold riv as we are effectively bluff catching now and with no reads on opponent (cept hes a likely noob limpy limpy player).
Turn I bet larger 1/2 pot to 2/3.
Fine as played tho.
I think you can even jam pre here. Danny talked about this before on other hands with a lot of limpers and people assume it is AK when u jam and spewtards call with any pair. I think your bet pre is fine though to build a pot and get value, never checking pre.
I check flop sometimes depending on situation and opponents, or bet on the bigger side if I think I am going to get value. Turn bet needs to be bigger since he is shown intent to call.
Suprised everyone likes a fold on this river. Dont think we should just give up. What about a blocker bet? Think check/folding is straight giving up. Your check allows him to continue his ways and jam this with his whole range. So I am calling as played.
i'm ok with p/f raise size.. 10x is sweet with limpers and knowing they're gonna call.. we are playing this hand for value from the start and getting more money in the pot is our only objective if we're certain they will come along
Once the flop comes top set.. nothing changes.. we should play for max value. Therefore, how do we get as much chips in as possible?
I think vs a spewface like this c/r the flop could be good but it's risky b/c it could check through.. it would def be the best way to get it in if he does bet though
I like FkCoolers idea and i'd prob like pot flop and jam turn… if he has KJ the oh well… but it sounds like he'll def be calling a turn jam with weaker holdings like 2nd pair weak draw etc..
Fish do not get any respect from me as they will play to showdown with the weirdest of holdings.
I would either pot the turn indeed and shove the river, or shove the turn immediately to max protect vs a dangerous board hereby at the same time getting value from ridiculous calls. If he has it this time… ul, next mtt..
Generally I will very often take this one down either by him (rarely) folding turn, winning at showdown or by him folding the rivershove.
It is a pretty dangerous board but still I won't pass taking the fish chips a lot at these spots.
The check on the river often induces a big bluff anyways as u show to be scared of the board I guess.
I made a lot of rivercalls in these spots and i guess i am defenitely +cEV in them
If I potted the turn i might cc river too instead of shoving river myself.
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